http://thailand-usa.com/community/ Thailand & USA Community Forum Topic: Proving Thai National Rights as an adult & Thai Conscription en Wed, 08 Sep 2010 03:34:54 +0000 http://thailand-usa.com/community/topic.php?id=32#post-219 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:43:12 +0000 siamerican 219@http://thailand-usa.com/community/ <p>Stew,</p> <p>In short, it is possible for you to be Siamerican, officially, someday soon. However, I'm not sure your dream of entering Thailand for the first time on a Thai passport is feasible, though it's hard to say without knowing all the details of your case.</p> <p>From your inquiry, I would presume that your mother refers to your Thai grandfather's daughter. </p> <p>If she has Thai nationality already, particularly a Thai passport, then it makes matters a whole lot easier as it would allow her to do a belated birth registration for you via the Royal Thai Embassy in DC, or <em>select </em>Consulates (i.e. Chicago / LA), ultimately entitling you a temporary Thai passport to enter Thailand--similarly as in the case mentioned above--so that you can swiftly get permanent docs, i.e. house registration, ID, and passport . </p> <p>In the event that she isn't officially Thai, and/or not able/willing to represent you in the states (via embassy to file your birth with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs), then your options are narrowed down to dealing directly with the Thai system in Thailand, initially on on your American passport, similar to me.</p> <p>In which case, you would have to make ties with your surviving Thai relatives prior to presenting your case to the Royal Thai Police (Proving Nationality Division of RTP Immigration Bureau). Your grandfather is a start, though I'm not certain the required DNA test is an option. I did it with my mother's younger sister (my Thai mom's been deceased for over 13 years now) Anyway, that comes later down the road, after you've gotten all the paper work in line / legalized, i.e. every document that ties you as a child of a Thai citizen.</p> <p>It sounds like a slog, either way--the question that will determine your next step is your mom's national status?</p> <p>Regards,</p> <p>Jao Moragoat</p> <p>P.S. See this <a href="http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Renounce-Citizenship-Thai-Ci-t201203.html">latest thread on Thaivisa Forum</a> with lots of relevant information. </p> http://thailand-usa.com/community/topic.php?id=32#post-218 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:58:40 +0000 admin 218@http://thailand-usa.com/community/ <p><u><strong>The following email inquiry was transcribed and posted here for its relevance to the topic</strong><br /> </u></p> <p><em>I was wondering if you could help me out. My grandfather is<br /> 100% Thai; born, raised and living in Bangkok. My mother was born in the UK and<br /> I was born in the states. Do you see any way that I can also be Siamerican? I am<br /> unsure as to what documents I would need and where I would start. Unfortunately,<br /> I have never met my grandfather. I planned on doing so years ago, but I went<br /> straight into the Army after high school and now I\'m in university. I expect<br /> to visit him some day, but until then I would like some way of proving on paper<br /> that I\'m Thai. I have even dreamed about entering Thailand on a Thai passport,<br /> but I don\'t know if that\'s possible. Do you have any ideas or suggestions?<br /> Any help would be greatly appreciated. I thank you for your time.</p> <p>-Stew<br /> </em> </p> http://thailand-usa.com/community/topic.php?id=32#post-217 Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:41:49 +0000 siamerican 217@http://thailand-usa.com/community/ <p>In the worst event case World War breaks out, anything is possible about a reserve list being needed to access your son's man power, but likelihood of conscription laws biting him isn't high in my opinion--there is a will for everything here . And he still has his primary American foundations in crisis scenario :)</p> <p>It is not unrealistic task for your son, considering six years for me refers to the entire time spent in Thailand, i.e. time of initial inquiry 2002 (first contact with Thai officials though little evidence initially to present and while living here 2002-2006,accumulating Thai-side ties and evidence) to passport in hand by 2007), however the actual official application process was about a year, most of the time actually spent waiting for vital records to be legalized and shipped around via post starting from County --&gt; State --&gt; National (Secretary of State--literally came down to Condoleezza Rice's signature!) --&gt; Thai embassy in DC --&gt;</p> <p>Me in Thailand (self translate paperwork into Thai) --&gt; Ministry of Foreign Affairs --&gt; Proving National Division of Royal Thai Police --&gt; District Office --&gt; House Registration --&gt; ID card --&gt; Passport</p> <p>Keep in mind, the paperwork was only foundational for the case going the route I did, topped with a required DNA test with Thai aunt (as Thai mother is deceased) which I paid for some 400-500 bucks at a Thai government Hospital.</p> <p>As the Thai Embassy in US would represent your son for issuing the temporary passport , you might not require DNA Test like I did. In worst case the Thai parent representing their child directly would make things even swifter with officials here, but through red tape, it takes more time if parent is not available. </p> http://thailand-usa.com/community/topic.php?id=32#post-203 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:49:05 +0000 admin 203@http://thailand-usa.com/community/ <p><u><strong>The following message was transcribed from an email inquiry</strong></u></p> <p><em>I have been reading <a href="http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Thai-Millitary-Conscription-Questio-t118721.html">your piece on Thai conscription</a>. In it you were talking about the 6 year struggle becoming registered as a Thai national. My son, whose mother is Thai, wants to get a Thai passport and he is just getting started on this road. </p> <p> He lives in the U.S. and his first step is getting a Thai birth certificate. Then they said he has to apply for a temporary Thai passport that is good for one year. Once in Thailand he has to add his name to the house registration to obtain the Thai ID. After going through this process he can apply for a Thai passport. </p> <p>It seems to me that this is unrealistic if it took you six years to get the house registration and thus a Thai ID. In addition, he thinks that since he is 30 the Thai conscription laws don't apply to him. What do you think?</p> <p> M. Drake</em> </p>